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	<title>Comments on: Using sex &#038; violence in design: Burger King did it their way</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully you don't get the two buildings mixed up!</description>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to mention that Southpark is still famous here in Germany - and it's still on free TV ;-)

Yes, right, the focus is totally different here. That's why there's a BK next to a whorehouse as William L. pointed out above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to men&shy;tion that South&shy;park is still famous here in Ger&shy;many - and it&#8217;s still on free TV <img src='http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, right, the focus is totally dif&shy;fer&shy;ent here. That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s a BK next to a whore&shy;house as William L. pointed out above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi-
Yes, same series, but I think the art has changed away from the comic-book style drawings to more in-game imagery. I think Rockstar is proud of the way the game looks in GTA IV.

And that Southpark is on cable and people can choose to ignore it. Plus, it’s old news. 12 years ago people hated it.

Ah, great insight. That helps understand why they would go with a campaign like this. So, while they have things like kids meals and promotions, it’s not the focus. Cool, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi-<br />
Yes, same series, but I think the art has changed away from the comic-&#8203;book style draw&shy;ings to more in-&#8203;game imagery. I think Rock&shy;star is proud of the way the game looks in GTA IV.</p>
<p>And that South&shy;park is on cable and people can choose to ignore it. Plus, it’s old news. 12 years ago people hated it.</p>
<p>Ah, great insight. That helps under&shy;stand why they would go with a cam&shy;paign like this. So, while they have things like kids meals and pro&shy;mo&shy;tions, it’s not the focus. Cool, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jay,

Vice City or GTA IV, it's one and the same series, right? Vice City is just one of the prequels of GTA IV.

I wonder why people don't get upset by Southpark and the same. Because MTV has a right to do it and we're used to it?

IMHO BK is not a kid friendly restaurant like in the U.S. It's different here in Germany. McDonald's is the one that's kid-friendly. BK here is a lot more for young adults than for kids. That's why Veg City was ok in Germany and people were not shocked at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay,</p>
<p>Vice City or GTA IV, it&#8217;s one and the same series, right? Vice City is just one of the pre&shy;quels of GTA IV.</p>
<p>I wonder why people don&#8217;t get upset by South&shy;park and the same. Because MTV has a right to do it and we&#8217;re used to it?</p>
<p>IMHO BK is not a kid friendly restau&shy;rant like in the U.S. It&#8217;s dif&shy;fer&shy;ent here in Ger&shy;many. McDonald&#8217;s is the one that&#8217;s kid-&#8203;friendly. BK here is a lot more for young adults than for kids. That&#8217;s why Veg City was ok in Ger&shy;many and people were not shocked at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree American's wouldn't want or tolerate a campaign like this. But it is interesting to see how other cultures are pushing the envelope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree American&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t want or tol&shy;er&shy;ate a cam&shy;paign like this. But it is inter&shy;est&shy;ing to see how other cul&shy;tures are push&shy;ing the enve&shy;lope.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't fear the vegetable Erin!</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pickles

You are right, the ads contain vegetables, not humans. But they are made to look like humans and doing human things. I don't think it's jumping too far to treat the ads as if they were people. In fact, that's exactly what the agency wants us to do.

Regarding the tv ad, thanks for the heads up. I guess we should distinguish between video and television.

The GTA connection was my interpretation, and Vice City, not GTA IV. You may not see it, but looking at the web map and graphic style immediately brought that to my mind.

Agreed. I think I made that point clear. This wouldn't have gotten past concept in the US.

Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pick&shy;les</p>
<p>You are right, the ads con&shy;tain veg&shy;eta&shy;bles, not humans. But they are made to look like humans and doing human things. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s jump&shy;ing too far to treat the ads as if they were people. In fact, that&#8217;s exactly what the agency wants us to do.</p>
<p>Regard&shy;ing the tv ad, thanks for the heads up. I guess we should dis&shy;tin&shy;guish between video and tele&shy;vi&shy;sion.</p>
<p>The GTA con&shy;nec&shy;tion was my inter&shy;pre&shy;ta&shy;tion, and Vice City, not GTA IV. You may not see it, but look&shy;ing at the web map and graphic style imme&shy;di&shy;ately brought that to my mind.</p>
<p>Agreed. I think I made that point clear. This wouldn&#8217;t have gotten past con&shy;cept in the US.</p>
<p>Thanks for stop&shy;ping by!</p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, it's about vegetable characters, not human beings. Then you'll find more explicit sex+violence on any TV nearby. (Southpark, Happy Tree Friends... to name but a few)

By the way: the above mentioned TVC never ran on German TV. It's a viral.

And no, but no: GTA wasn't an inspiration for any idea or graphic of the campaign. (although it's thought for the same target group..young adolescent males.) The ad campaign ran long before the hype about GTA IV started. 

And finally: none of the above appeared in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, it&#8217;s about veg&shy;etable char&shy;ac&shy;ters, not human beings. Then you&#8217;ll find more explicit sex+violence on any TV nearby. (South&shy;park, Happy Tree Friends&#8230; to name but a few)</p>
<p>By the way: the above men&shy;tioned TVC never ran on German TV. It&#8217;s a viral.</p>
<p>And no, but no: GTA wasn&#8217;t an inspi&shy;ra&shy;tion for any idea or graphic of the cam&shy;paign. (although it&#8217;s thought for the same target group..young ado&shy;les&shy;cent males.) The ad cam&shy;paign ran long before the hype about GTA IV started. </p>
<p>And finally: none of the above appeared in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: William L.</title>
		<link>http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/2008/07/09/designing-using-sex-and-violence/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>William L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a graphic artist, I find the artwork quite amusing.  I lived in Germany for 3-years and got to know the culture very well.  The laws in Germany are pretty strict when it comes to violence in TV, movies, and games.  When I was there, most PC games that showed blood use the color green instead of red.  What doesn't surprise me is the "sex" advertisement.  The city I lived nearby had a Burger King on one side, and a  5-story whore complex (which looked just like any old office building on the outside) on the other.  This type of scenery was okay to most Germans.  

I don't think the American public would even want such an advertisement campaign that is based on a game that depicts and worships the brutal acts of murder, unmoral sexual content, and the horrid way women are depicted.  Being a father with daughters, if Burger King did an ad. campaign like that here in America, they would not get my business - they don't get my business anyway.  

Looking at the artwork and seeing all the funny and weird illustrations is one thing, actually using it in a campaign to drive in more business is another.

Theres a time and place for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a graphic artist, I find the art&shy;work quite amus&shy;ing.  I lived in Ger&shy;many for 3-years and got to know the cul&shy;ture very well.  The laws in Ger&shy;many are pretty strict when it comes to vio&shy;lence in TV, movies, and games.  When I was there, most PC games that showed blood use the color green instead of red.  What doesn&#8217;t sur&shy;prise me is the &#8220;sex&#8221; adver&shy;tise&shy;ment.  The city I lived nearby had a Burger King on one side, and a  5-story whore com&shy;plex (which looked just like any old office build&shy;ing on the out&shy;side) on the other.  This type of scenery was okay to most Ger&shy;mans.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Amer&shy;i&shy;can public would even want such an adver&shy;tise&shy;ment cam&shy;paign that is based on a game that depicts and wor&shy;ships the brutal acts of murder, unmoral sexual con&shy;tent, and the horrid way women are depicted.  Being a father with daugh&shy;ters, if Burger King did an ad. cam&shy;paign like that here in Amer&shy;ica, they would not get my busi&shy;ness - they don&#8217;t get my busi&shy;ness anyway.  </p>
<p>Look&shy;ing at the art&shy;work and seeing all the funny and weird illus&shy;tra&shy;tions is one thing, actu&shy;ally using it in a cam&shy;paign to drive in more busi&shy;ness is another.</p>
<p>Theres a time and place for every&shy;thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm kind of in shock from this ad. But then again, I kind of like it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of in shock from this ad. But then again, I kind of like it. <img src='http://blog.marbleheadllc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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